[1. CALL TO ORDER ]
[2. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND SALUTE TO NEW MEXICO STATE FLAG ]
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>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE.
>> ALL: I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND FOR THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I SALUTE THE FLAG OF THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO.
THE ZIA SYMBOL OF PERFECT FRIENDSHIP AMONG UNITED CULTURES.
[3. INTRODUCTIONS & ANNOUNCEMENTS ]
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: I WOULD LIKE TO START OUT THIS EVENING WITH A COMMENT ABOUT DR. LORENZO GONZALEZ WAS A MEMBER OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION BACK IN 1986 AND HE HAS RECENTLY PASSED AWAY.
HE -- SERVICES ARE GOING TO BE HELD ON AUGUST 11 AND COUNTY FLAGS WILL FLY AT HALF-MAST IN OBSERVANCE OF HIS PASSING.
DR. LORENZO WAS A TEACHER FOR CUBA INDEPENDENT SCHOOLS FOR 27 YEARS.
TAUGHT AT NORTHERN NEW MEXICO COLLEGE AND JOINED LOS ALAMOS -- IN MATH EDUCATION WHERE HE WORKED UNTIL HIS DEATH.
WHILE COMMISSIONER HERE, HE SERVED WITH LORRAINE DOMINGUEZ AND PETE SALAZAR.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE TO REMEMBER DR. LORENZO GONZALEZ.
ANY OTHER INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS?
I SEE THAT COMMISSIONER JONES IS NOT WITH US, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT HE'LL BE ONLINE TODAY, BUT I'D LIKE TO EXPRESS MY CONDOLENCES AND ALL OUR CONDOLENCES ON THE LOSS OF HIS GRANDMOTHER.
SHE WAS VERY CLOSE TO HIM AND RAISED HIM.
OUR HEARTFELT LOVE GOES OUT TO HIS ENTIRE FAMILY.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
I WASN'T AWARE OF HIS DEATH IN THE FAMILY.
ANY OTHER INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS?
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: COMMISSIONER BLOCK?
BLOCK: JUST LIKE TO SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE RIO RANCHO OBSERVER FOR 50 YEARS AND PEOPLE HAVE NOTICED THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF RIBBON-CUTTING CEREMONIES AND JOB GROWTH IN SANDOVAL COUNTY.
THAT'S A GOOD THING AND JUST GOES TO SHOW RIO RANCHO INTO VENABLE COUNTY ARE DOING THINGS RIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPING.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TODAY RIO OBSERVER.
HOPEFULLY THEY HAVE 50 MORE AMAZING YEARS SERVING SANDOVAL COUNTY.
IF NO OTHER COMMENTS, I HAVE A COUPLE.
ONE, WE HAD A NICE DAY AT THE FAIR ON SATURDAY.
MY WIFE AND I GOT TO SEE SOME GOATS AND OTHER STUFF LIKE THAT THAT WAS KIND OF FUN.
ENJOYED SOME OF THE FOOD THERE.
ALSO, I WANT TO TELL FOLKS THAT ON AUGUST 20 THE 18TH ANNUAL MAYOR'S SUNDAY FUNDING IN RIO RANCHO, COME OUT AND ENJOY THE FUN.
YOU CAN FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT IT AT RIO RANCHO FUN DAY.COM.
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA ]
MOVING ONTO APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: AND A SECOND.
[5. PROCLAMATIONS, CERTIFICATES AND AWARDS ]
WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM 5, RECLAMATIONS.
EMPLOYER SUPPORT OF THE GUARD AND RESERVE.
I AM COMMAND SERGEANT [NAME] RETIRED FROM THE NEW MEXICO NATIONAL GUARD.
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WITH ME IS LENA BATES, A SPOUSE OF AN -- THIS EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, SANDOVAL COUNTY RESIDENTS, ON BEHALF OF THE EMPLOYER SUPPORT GUARD AND RESERVE, WHICH IS A DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN AROUND SINCE 1972, JUST KIND OF A LITTLE HISTORY.BACK IN VIETNAM TOWARDS THE END WHEN WE WENT TO AN ALL VOLUNTEER ARMY.
AT THAT TIME, DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE NEEDED SOME TYPE OF PROGRAM TO WORK IN BETWEEN OUR RESERVE COMPONENTS, AND NOT ONLY OUR FAMILIES, BUT OUR EMPLOYERS.
RECENTLY IN THE PAST YEAR, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE PROGRAM FOR THREE YEARS NOW, BUT WITHIN THE LAST YEAR I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE TO PRESENT SOME PATRIOTIC EMPLOYER AWARDS TO THE SANDOVAL COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS SHERIFF JESSE JAMES PASALS AND LIEUTENANT JOHN COSTENETA.
IS PATRIOTIC AWARDS ARE GIVEN TO SUPERVISORS WHO SUPPORT OUR SERVICE MEMBERS WHEN THEY HAVE TO GO ON THEIR DRILL WEEKENDS, ANNUAL TRAINING, OR MOBILIZATIONS.
AS YOU KNOW, TODAY'S ROLE HERE SINCE 9/11 SEVERAL HAVE BEEN MOBILIZED MORE THAN ONCE.
IT CAN BE BROAD OR STATE EMERGENCIES WE'VE BEEN HAVING HERE WITHIN THE LAST DECADE WITH THE FIRES, FREEZE, FLOODS, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE EMPLOYERS.
WHEN WE GIVE ANNUAL BRIEFS, WE TRY TO TELL SERVICEMEMBERS WE ARE INFORMED ABOUT YOUR SERVICE RIGHT ACT, BUT YOU HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES, TOO.
IF YOU HAVE GOOD SUPERVISORS, PLEASE PUT THEM IN FOR AWARDS, SO THEY DID.
BACK IN DECEMBER WHEN WE PRESENTED THREE PATRIOTIC EMPLOYER AWARDS.
WITH THAT, BECAUSE SANDOVAL COUNTY IS SUCH A GREAT SUPPORTER, TODAY I AM PROUD TO PRESENT ON BEHALF OF MIKE, OUR STATE CHAIR, IS WHAT WE CALL THE ABOVE AND BEYOND AWARD, AND THAT IS SOMETHING IDENTIFIED BY STATE COMMITTEES HERE IN NEW MEXICO.
IT'S A PRESTIGIOUS AWARD WHERE YEAH, AS SUPERVISORS THEY DID WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AS SUPERVISOR COMPONENT.
BUT THIS IS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE SATIVA COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHERE THEY WENT ABOVE SUPPORTING RESERVE COMPONENTS AND LETTING THEM OFF AS A WEEK THIS AND THAT AND NOT ONLY SANDOVAL COUNTY RESERVES, BUT SANDOVAL COUNTY ITSELF DEPARTMENTS SERVICEMEMBERS WERE.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
HE DRIVE HERE A LITTLE CAUGHT IN TRAFFIC, BUT THIS IS MAJOR JAMES TRAVIS.
HE IS OVERSEAS THE ESGR PROGRAM.
IF WE CAN GET ON WITH THIS, THIS IS THE FUN PART OF OUR JOB.
WE ALWAYS SAY THE THREE LEGGED STOOL.
WE HAVE SERVICEMEMBERS, FAMILY, AND WE HAVE OUR EMPLOYERS.
IF WE'RE NOT ALL IN CAHOOTS, IF YOU LOSE ONE LEG, WHAT HAPPENS? IT ALL FALLS APART.
ON BEHALF OF US VOLUNTEERS, MIKE, LENA, OUR FULL-TIME SUPPORT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND WHAT YOU DO WITH OUR SERVICEMEMBERS AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I'M GOING TO READ THIS AWARD FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE.
EMPLOYER SUPPORT OF THE GUARD AND RESERVE PRESENT THIS ABOVE AND BEYOND AWARD TO THE SANDOVAL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
IT'S PRESENTED ON BEHALF OF THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE NATIONAL GUARD AND RESERVE FORCES FOR OUTSTANDING SERVICE AND CONTINUED SUPPORT TO THE NATIONAL DEFENSE.
SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, LIEUTENANT?
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: CAN WE BRING YOU RIGHT UP FRONT HERE? YEAH.
THESE TWO GUYS HERE I WANT MAJOR TRAVIS.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: TURN AT AN ANGLE.
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GET A LITTLE CLOSER, PLEASE.IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE FOR A SECOND.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: YES, GO AHEAD.
>> [INDISCERNIBLE] READ THIS REAL QUICK.
>> I JUST WANTED TO ADD I'M HAPPY TO ACCEPT THIS AWARD ON BEHALF OF THE SHERIFF WHO IS UNABLE TO ATTEND DUE TO CHILDCARE ISSUES, AS YOU KNOW, HE HAS LITTLE ONES.
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND COUNTY SUPPORT THOSE WHO SERVE AND HAVE SERVED THE MILITARY AND THEIR FAMILIES.
THIS HONOR WE ARE RECEIVING TODAY REINFORCES THE DEDICATION, SUPPORT, AND LONG-TERM COMMITMENT OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE COUNTY IN GENERAL, AND THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY, ALL WHO I KNOW SUPPORT THE COUNTY.
I ALSO LIKE TO ADD THIS YEAR THE COUNTY DID TAKE STEPS TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF MILITARY LEAVE AND EMPLOY A CRUISE FROM 120 HOURS-240 HOURS, WHICH I'M AWARE I'VE BEEN TOLD BY EVERY PERSON THIS AFFECTS THIS THAT THIS WAS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY THE COMMISSION.
IT WAS A BADLY NEEDED ADDITION.
SOME OF THESE PEOPLE WERE HAVING TO USE THEIR OWN TIME AND PAY BACK MONEY THEY GOT FROM THE MILITARY AND IT CAUSES A STRESS ON THE FAMILY THAT BECAUSE OF THIS CHANGE THE COUNTY MADE IN THE LAST POLICY AND PROCEDURES THIS YEAR THAT IT DID ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT.
I WILL ALSO ADD THAT WE DID GET HELICOPTER RIDES FROM THE LAST AWARD AND I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND BECAUSE I WAS OUT OF TOWN.
THE SHERIFF DID RIDE IN THE HELICOPTER, BUT COSTENETA DID NOT WANT TO RIDE IN THE HELICOPTER.
[LAUGHTER] BUT THIS YEAR IF HE GETS THE CHANCE, WE WILL MAKE AIM IF WE HAD TO KIDNAP HIM AND PUT THEM IN THE HELICOPTER.
>> LAST, BUT NOT LEAST, MR. CHAIRMAN.
LIKE I SAID, THESE AWARDS WE GIVE WITH OUR PROGRAM.
THIS IS NOT THE LAST WE ARE LOOKING AT AT SANDOVAL COUNTY.
WE THOUGHT THE [INDISCERNIBLE] WE'RE WORKING ON AND THE FREEDOM AWARD, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST AWARD YOU CAN RECEIVE AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL.
WHERE GOING TO WORK HARD TO GET YOU TO DC TO RECIEVE THAT HIGHEST AWARD.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS?
[6. Timeline for proposed Veterans Cemetery presentation. Since 2017 the County has worked with the State of New Mexico Land Office, the Veterans Administration, the State’s Congressional delegation and others to get the new Veterans Cemetery located on lands within the County. This report gives the Commission a timeline on the efforts of the County to get the VA to use lands within the County. Another site in Bernalillo County was selected. (Amy Griffin, Real Property Manager and Rob Burpo, First American Financial (Amy Griffin, Real Property Manager and Rob Burpo, First American Financial Advisors, Inc.)]
OKAY.THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA IS PRESENTATIONS.
THIS IS A TIMELINE OF THE PROPOSED VETERANS CEMETERY.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I'M GOING TO LET AMY TAKE THE LEAD ON THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT BECAUSE SHE WAS THE ONE THAT WAS MOST INVOLVED IN THIS ENTIRE PROCESS, SO WE'RE GOING TO LET HER TAKE LEAD ON THE PRESENTATION.
GRIFFIN: THIS IS ON THE NATIONAL VETERANS CEMETERY SITE SELECTION.
AND JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF EVERYTHING THAT WE DID.
2017 SANDOVAL COUNTY ANSWERED A SOLICITATION FOR A NEW LOCATION FOR THE NATIONAL CEMETERY.
2017, WE ALSO RECEIVED NOTIFICATION THAT WE DID NOT -- SORRY, THAT WE WERE NOT A FINALIST.
2019, WE WERE INFORMED THAT A NEW SOLICITATION FOR THE SAME PROJECT WAS COMING OUT.
WE RESPONDED AGAIN AND THIS TIME WE WERE TOLD WE WERE A FINALIST IN 2023.
THE PARCEL THAT WE CHOSE AND SHOWED TO THEM WAS LOMA BARBON, RIGHT OFF HIGHWAY 50.
THE COUNTY HOSTED SITE VISIT AND LAND OFFICE OFFICIALS IN 2020, AND IN 2020 NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN THE NEW MEXICO LAND OFFICE AND VETERAN AFFAIRS BEGAN.
>> DURING THIS PROCESS ON 20 JANUARY, 2020 WE HAD OUR FIRST FORMAL CONTACT WITH
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THE STATE LAND OFFICE.AS I MENTIONED, AS AMY MENTIONED, THEY WERE HERE ON THE SITE VISIT.
I ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT IN APRIL OF 2020, CHAIRMAN HEIL MET WITH THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION BACK IN DC ON THIS ISSUE AND THEY INDICATED THEY WOULD BE MONITORING THIS AND WASHING IT ON YOUR BEHALF.
GRIFFIN: IN 2020 THROUGH 2022 A FULL -- WAS DONE ON THIS PROPERTY AND SALE FOR THE PROPERTY IN RIO RANCHO.
OFFICIALS ATTENDED AND WERE EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT.
SHORTLY IN OCTOBER 2022, WE RECEIVED NOTIFICATION THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS WAS NOT GOING TO BID ON THE STATE LAND PARCEL.
MARCH 9, 2023, THE VA ANNOUNCES IT WAS BUYING A PARCEL AT DOUBLE EAGLE AIRPORT AND WILL SPEND $41 BILLION BUILDING OUT THE FACILITY.
>> THIS IS THE LAST FORMAL CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH THE VA ON OCTOBER 20, THE DAY AFTER WE WERE NOTIFIED, THE COUNTY WAS NOTIFIED THAT THEY WERE NOT SELECTED.
IT'S BEEN CRICKETS EVER SINCE.
I WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE ON THE SITE ITSELF, THE STATE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT HAD DUMPED A BUNCH OF MILL TANKS AND THE VA WAS CONCERNED THAT WAS ON THE PROPERTY.
THE DEPARTMENT REMOVED 100% OF THAT AND TOOK IT TO ANOTHER SITE ON COUNTY PROPERTY AND, ACTUALLY, THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO REUSE THAT FOR TOURING PURPOSES.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT LEFT, BUT NOT MUCH.
BUT THE COUNTY DID THAT AT THEIR EXPENSE TO HELP THIS PROJECT ALONG.
THAT HELPED ON THE NEPA PROJECT BECAUSE THAT WAS NO LONGER ON-SITE.
THAT WOULD BE A FINDING NO LONGER OF CONSIDERATION.
AMY DID A WONDERFUL JOB WORKING WITH THESE FOLKS.
I HAVE TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO STEPHANIE RICHARDS, THE LAND OFFICE COMMISSIONER.
NORMALLY, STATE LAND OFFICE DOES NOT LIKE TO SELL LAND BECAUSE WHEN THEY SELL LAND THAT MONEY GOES BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.
THAT MONEY DOES NOT GO TO THE LAND OFFICE POOL.
THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS TO FIND A SWAP AND THEY FOUND OUT THERE WASN'T A SWAP.
SO THEY CHANGED THEIR POSITION AND I GIVE HER CREDIT TO THAT.
THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS HOW YOU DO A SALE AND WHAT HAVE YOU AND WE FOLLOWED THOSE TENETS AND INSTRUCTIONS.
THE REALITY IS I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY THE VA MADE DECISION AND THEIR COMMUNICATION WITH THE COUNTY WAS EXTREMELY POOR.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER BLOCK.
I ASKED FOR THIS TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE I WANTED THE PUBLIC TO KNOW OVER THE LAST TWO ADMINISTRATIONS, THE CURRENT ONE AND THE LAST ONE, HOW THE VA SCREWED US AND OUR VETERANS.
FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND MR. BURPO, YOU CAN JUMP IN.
I HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY MANY VETERANS EXCITED ABOUT THE CEMETERY THAT WAS GOING TO BE DONE IN SANDOVAL COUNTY.
ESPECIALLY AMY AND ROB FOR THE GREAT WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE AND I WANT TO ECHO WHAT ROB SAID.
ARE LAND OFFICE, STEPHANIE GARCIA RICHARDSON, DID A HELL OF A JOB IN HER OFFICE TRYING TO WORK THIS OUT FOR US AND I WANT TO THANK THEM.
AGAIN, I KNOW YOU THINK I COMPLAIN ABOUT DEMOCRATS AND YOU'RE WRONG.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC WAS AWARE OF WHAT THEY DID SO YOU VETERANS OUT THERE, WRITE A NOTE TO OUR LAND OFFICES AND SAY THANK YOU AND PLEASE SEND A NOTE TO OUR CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION, ALL FIVE OF THEM, COMPLAINING ABOUT THE VA.
WHAT THEY DID TO US WITH RON, COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.
THEY LIED TO US AND LET US ON.
THE COMMUNICATION LIKE MR. BURPO SAID, VERY VERY -- I KNOW PEOPLE ARE VERY UPSET ABOUT IT AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE WERE DOING OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS TO GET THAT CEMETERY HERE.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLOCK.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE HARD WORK.
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>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: CERTAINLY APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK BOTH OF YOU PUT INTO IT.
IT WAS, CERTAINLY, DISAPPOINTING.
[8. PUBLIC COMMENT AND COMMUNICATIONS]
SO WE HAVE RAMONA GOLDSBY, MARY JO STREET'S, AND DR. GERALD SIONELLO.>> COMMISSIONER HEIL, CHAIR HEIL, COMMISSION.
I WANTED TO COME UP FIRST AND SAY THANK YOU, CHAIR HEIL, FOR YOUR QUICK RESPONSE AFTER THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THE POLLING PLACES.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK JOEY DOMINGUES.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK MAYOR HALL.
I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT SANDOVAL AND RIO RANCHO POLITICS I WAS NOT AWARE OF.
THE RESOLUTION THAT I GAVE YOU A COPY OF, I MADE IT RELEVANT TO SANDOVAL COUNTY, BUT I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT ON AUGUST 1, -- COUNTY PAST THIS RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF ALL THE CITIZENS THAT WANT THE RIGHT TO PETITION, AND IT'S A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.
WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS ASK THAT THE SANDOVAL COUNTY COMMISSION CONSIDER ALSO SUPPORTING THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT OF THEIR CITIZENS AND CONSTITUENTS.
I HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE A BLESSED EVENING.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: THANK YOU, RAMONA.
MARY JO STREET'S FOLLOWED BY DR. GERALD FOLLOWED BY RHONDA ORCHARD.
>> MARY JO STREET, SANDOVAL COUNTY.
TONIGHT, KEEP IN MIND I SPEAK THE TRUTH TO BRING AWARENESS.
I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT BY NOW YOU UNDERSTAND THE EMBARRASSMENT AND FRUSTRATION LAST TUESDAY SANDOVAL COUNTY HORSE FEEDING COSTUMER CONSTITUENTS.
UNORGANIZED, UNINFORMED, AND CONDESCENDING REPRESENTATION OF SANDOVAL COUNTY PROVED TO ELEVATE THE CONTROVERSY INSTEAD OF MITIGATING IT, WHICH REFLECTS POORLY ON YOU.
YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE POSTING IN CHATS AND EXCHANGING WITH NEIGHBORS THAT THE FORUM WAS HELD NOT TO WORK WITH THE PEOPLE.
INSTEAD, IT'S INTENTION WAS DIRECTED AT THE PEOPLE.
THE CLEAR INTERPRETATION AS HE WILL NOT FEED WITHOUT A PERMIT.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE NOT DEFINED THE PERMIT.
YOU WILL NOT VIOLATE THE PERMIT.
HOWEVER, THE VIOLATIONS WERE NOT DESCRIBED.
IF YOU VIOLATE IT, WE WILL HANDLE IT AS WE SEE FIT., AND IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS, SEND US AN EMAIL BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO TALK TO YOU IN PERSON.
DOES THIS SOUND EXAGGERATED? YOU COMMISSIONERS WILL NEVER KNOW NOW, WILL YOU? WHY? BECAUSE NOT ONE OF YOU WAS THERE.
CATHERINE, HE'S NOT YOUR VOTERS? MR. GARCIA, YOUR MEETING PLANNING PROVED THIS COMMISSION'S LACK OF ALLEGIANCE TO ITS PEOPLE BY SCHEDULING IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DATA LOCATION WITH LIMITED PARKING AND LIMITED SEATING.
MR. GARCIA, IT ALSO SEEMS YOU BECAME THE SACRIFICIAL LAMB AS COMMISSIONERS WERE NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.
THE PEOPLE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN APPEASING GOVERNMENT.
THE PEOPLE ARE THE DIRECTORS OF GOVERNMENT.
PERSONALLY, FOR ME, THE MOST DISTURBING FACT IS THIS COMMISSION SITS BEFORE US MONTH AFTER MONTH, PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, WITH LITTLE OR NO REGARD FOR THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE, NO MATTER THE ISSUE.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: THANK YOU, MARY JO.
DR. GERALD FOLLOWED BY RHONDA ORCHARD FOLLOWED BY FRAN GORDON.
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GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
I DO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SERVING YOUR COUNTY.
I'M FROM BERNALILLO COUNTY AND LEGAL NATURALIZED CITIZEN.
I WANT TO BRING AWARENESS TO ALL IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN AND ESPECIALLY THOSE IN RESERVES.
MY QUESTION IS WHAT LEGACY DO YOU WANT TO BE TO YOUR CHILDREN? THERE ARE SOME APPROPRIATE -- QUESTIONS THAT ARE GIVEN YOU AND I WANT TO ASK YOU SOME OF THE QUESTION ARE WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU, AND PLEASE FORGIVE ME IN ADVANCE SOME OF THE QUOTATIONS.
THIS IS FROM THE NEW MEXICO DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.", WHAT KIND OF SEX HAVE YOU HAD IN THE PAST YEAR? THIS IS OUR CHILDREN READING THIS THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.
HERE I QUOTE, THIS IS SO GROSS.
AND AGAIN, FORGIVE ME FOR SAYING THIS, BUT I HAVE TO BE TRUTHFUL WHAT IS BEEN SAID IN THE NEW MEXICO DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.
VAGINAL SEX, -- PENIS AND ANUS, ORAL SEX, RECEIVE ORAL SEX, DID YOU KNOW THIS PROMOTE PEDOPHILE? SEX TRAFFICKING AND NOT HEALTHCARE.
WHAT DOES THE 14TH AMENDMENT SAY? NO STATE SHALL MAKE OR ENFORCE ANY LAW WHICH SHALL ABRIDGE THE IMMUNITIES OF CITIZENS AND CHILDREN AND CITIZENS IN THE UNITED STATES, AND NOR SHALL ANY STATE DEPRIVE CITIZENS OF LIFE, LIBERTY, OR PROPERTY WITHOUT DUE PROCESS OF LAW NOR DENY TO ANY PERSON WITHIN THE JURISDICTION THE EQUAL PROTECTION OF LAWS.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: RHONDA ORCHARD FOLLOWED BY FRAN GORDON FOLLOWED BY CAROL DOOLEY.
I WANT TO JUST FOLLOW UP BY SAYING THAT GOD DOESN'T MAKE ANY MISTAKES.
WHEN I GET READY TO COME AND DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, SOMETIMES I DO RESEARCH AND FIGURE OUT WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
TODAY I WAS LIKE YOU KNOW, LORD, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT AND THE FUNNY THING IS HE SAID KIDS.
WELL, THE KIDS ARE BACK IN SCHOOL.
WHERE THEY DEPROGRAMMED DURING SUMMER BREAK? DID THEY GET OUTSIDE AND BREATHE THE FRESH AIR? DO THEY EXERCISE, MAKE FRIENDS, TAKE A TRIP, TAKE MEMORIES, LEARN ABOUT AMERICA'S HISTORIC PLACES? DID THEY PUSH SOMEONE'S BUTTONS, TRY SOMEONE'S PATIENCE -- IT'S HARD TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN SOME NEIGHBORS HOUSES.
IN A ONCE RESPECTED BOYS OR GIRLS CLUB OR EVEN IN SOME CHURCHES, OVER THE SUMMER, DID THEY PROCESS THE AGENDA OF CONFUSION OR THE NEW AGE DIATRIBE FOR A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.
WELL, THEY ARE BACK IN SCHOOL NOW, BUT THEY ARE NO LONGER PRESENT IN A STATE SCHOOL PROGRAM.
I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO ALL THE MOMS, DADS, AND GRANDPARENTS WERE STEPPING UP AND PULLING THEIR KIDS OUT OF PROPAGANDIZED INDOCTRINATION CAMPS.
I WANT TO SUPPORT GOOD TEACHERS WHO DON'T CANCEL, REJECT, OR GENDERIZE THEIR STUDENTS AND PROMOTE -- PROPS TO THE PARENTS, AND PARENTS, AND GOOD TEACHERS.
MAYOR CHILDREN BLOSSOM UNDER YOUR GUIDANCE AND EXAMPLE.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: THANK YOU, RHONDA.
FRAN GORDON, CAROL DOOLEY, FOLLOWED BY CHRIS [NAME].
IT MAY HAVE BEEN MISPRINTED ON THERE.
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I DON'T KNOW.BEEN ATTENDING THESE COMMISSION MEETINGS FOR MANY MONTHS.
THE FIRST TIME I SPOKE, I SHARED MY CONCERNS ABOUT ELECTION INTEGRITY, WHICH I STILL HAVE, ALONG WITH A LIST OF MANY OTHERS, AND ESPECIALLY OUR BEAUTIFUL PRECIOUS CHILDREN.
TONIGHT, I'M EXPRESSING GRATITUDE FOR OUR CONSTITUTION.
FOR THE FIRST AMENDMENT, WHICH GIVES EVERYONE THE RIGHT TO COME TO THIS MICROPHONE AND SPEAK, AND IT EVEN GIVES YOU THE RIGHT AT THE END TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS AS WELL.
I WANT TO OFFER MY DEEPEST GRATITUDE AND APPRECIATION FOR JOHN VELTRY, MARY JO STREET, RAMONA GOLDSBY, AND VICTORIA MARTIN.
THEY HAVE AND ARE DEVOTING THEIR TIME AND MONEY TO BRING AWARENESS TO MANY ISSUES HERE IN OUR BEAUTIFUL NEW MEXICO.
THEY ARE NOT DOING THIS FOR ANY REASON OTHER THAN TO BE OF SERVICE TO OTHERS.
THEY ARE HUMBLE, KIND, RELENTLESS, AND TRUE PATRIOT WARRIORS.
I RECENTLY WATCHED A VIDEO BY RACHEL HEYMAN.
I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO COMPLETE THIS, SO I'M GOING TO STOP AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND ONE MORE COMMENT.
OUR GOD'S CHILDREN ARE NOT FOR SALE.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: THANK YOU, FRAN.
CAROL DOOLEY FOLLOWED BY CHRIS COVER FOLLOWED BY TERRY MERKLEY.
I'VE HAD SOME CONCERN SINCE I LAST ATTENDED THE COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING.
I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH NOT HAVING ENOUGH POLLING PLACES FOR THE POPULATION OF RIO RANCHO AND SURROUNDING AREAS.
PLUS THE FACT THAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO CHANGE YOUR REGISTRATION ON DAY OF ELECTION.
THIS DOESN'T GIVE YOU ANY TIME TO VERIFY IF THIS PERSON IS LEGITIMATE OR NOT.
I ALSO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE VOTING MACHINES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN CERTIFIED.
VOTER ID WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO PROVING WHO THIS PERSON IS.
THE CITY OF RIO RANCHO CAN DO THAT.
WHY CAN THE COUNTY? I RECENTLY HEARD ABOUT A TOWN IN MICHIGAN THAT IN THE 2020 ELECTION A PERSON DROPPED OFF 8-10,000 REGISTRATION FORMS THAT WERE FILLED OUT.
ALL OF THE FORMS HAD THE SAME HANDWRITING.
THE CLERK WAS SUSPICIOUS AND CALLED THE POLICE.
NO ARRESTS IN THIS CASE HAVE HAPPENED SO FAR.
THE CASE WAS GIVEN TO THE FBI AND WHERE DID IT GO FROM THERE? THANK YOU.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: THANK YOU, CAROL.
CHRIS COPPER FOLLOWED BY TERRY MERKLEY FOLLOWED BY VICTORIA MARTIN.
>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.
ON MONDAY NIGHT I GOT A CALL FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE NEW MEXICO TRANSPARENCY NETWORK.
HE ASKED ME TO SPEAK AT THIS MEETING.
QUOTE I LOOKED OVER THE AGENDA AND DIDN'T SEE MUCH TO SQUAWK ABOUT.
IT SEEMS ALL THE COMMISSIONERS DO IS GIVE OUT MONEY TO ORGANIZATIONS.
A QUARTER MILLION HERE, A HALF-MILLION THERE.
THIS WEEK, WE ARE FEEDING SENIOR CITIZENS AND GIVING A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS TO THE SANDOVAL ECONOMIC ALLIANCE.
THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO INFORMATION TO SEE WHY WE'RE DOING THIS.
AND I HAVE ONE REQUEST TONIGHT.
THE REQUEST TONIGHT IS FOR YOU COMMISSIONERS TO GET VOTER ID AND SANDOVAL COUNTY FOR THE NEXT ELECTION.
THIS WOULD ELIMINATE A LOT OF LEGAL ACTIVITIES GOING ON.
I KNOW CHAIRMAN HEIL KNOWS HOW TO DO THAT OR DID IT SOMEWHERE.
HERE WE'VE GOT COMMISSIONER BLOCK, WE GOT MISS BRUCH, WE'VE GOT MR. MEEK THERE.
WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS FOR A YEAR.
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HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET IT DONE.>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: THANK YOU, CHRIS.
-- COUNTY WAS FOUNDED IN 1899 IN THE COURTHOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1955, MAKING IT 68 YEARS OLD AND CONSIDERED BY MANY TO BE A HISTORICAL BUILDING.
IT'S INTERESTING TO KNOW THAT THEIR DISTRICT ATTORNEY BRINGS MORE CASES TO TRIAL IN ANY COUNTY.
IT'S AN EXTERNALLY BUSY PLACE.
USING NEW MEXICO STATUTE THE ADMINISTERING OF OFFICE OF THE COURTS SUED OTERO COUNTY IN 2018 FOR INADEQUATE FACILITY CITING INSUFFICIENT PARKING, POOR VENTILATION ISSUES, AND COMBING LINK OF PRISONERS IN THE PUBLIC, WHICH MAKES IT EASIER FOR THE TRANSFER OF CONTRABAND TO PRISONERS.
CLEARLY, THERE WERE ISSUES THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED.
IN CONTRAST, SAN JUAN COUNTY WAS FOUNDED IN 1935 AND OVER COURTHOUSE, PART OF THE 40,000 SQUARE-FOOT CENTER WILL COUNTY JUDICIAL COMPLEX, WAS BUILT IN 2005, JUST 18 YEARS AGO.
ADDITIONAL SPACE WILL BECOME AVAILABLE IN THE FACILITY WHEN IT NO LONGER HOUSES THE PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICES OF THE SHERIFF.
WHY IS THIS RELEVANT? LAST MEETING YOU ALL VOTED TO OVERRIDE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED 51% AGAINST AN EXPANSION OF THE JUDICIAL COMPLEX.
AND FOUND ISSUES VERY SELDOM IN THIS COUNTY EVER GET VOTED DOWN, SO THAT WAS AMAZING.
CHAIRMAN HEIL, YOU CITED STATUTE 3624 AS YOUR REASONING, SO I'M HERE TO ASK YOU AND THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS, WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE THAT OUR CURRENT FACILITY IS INADEQUATE? HOW ARE WE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW? WE HAVE A RIGHT TO A WRITTEN RESPONSE SINCE THE COST OF THIS NEW FACILITY IS $55 MILLION? ALL TAXPAYER MONEY.
OF COURSE, THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE LANDSCAPING AND MAINTENANCE COSTS THAT WILL COME LATER ON.
IF YOU FELT SO STRONGLY ABOUT THIS PROJECT, WHY NOT MAKE ARGUMENTS IN A PUBLIC FORUM LIKE A TOWN HALL AND FACTS AND PASSION OR IS THAT PROPOSITION TOO FRIGHTENING? IT SENDS ME THAT THIS GOVERNING BODY HAS A LITTLE INTERACTION WITH COUNTY RESIDENTS OUTSIDE OF THIS FORM.
WE IN SANDOVAL COUNTY CAN AND SHOULD DO BETTER.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: THANK YOU, TERRY.
VICTORIA MARTIN FOLLOWED BY MIKA CRYSTAL FOLLOWED BY MARY BURGESS.
>> REPORTED FROM NEW YORK ON FRIDAY.
MOST OF THE PURGED RECORDS THAT I'VE SEEN THAT WERE BOTH COUNTERFEIT AND SHOW VOTE IN THE 2020 ELECTION PURGED BETWEEN JANUARY AND ABOUT MARCH OF 2021, MEANING THEY WERE SIMULTANEOUSLY ACTED WITH THE ORIGINALS.
WEIRDLY, THESE ALSO TENDED TO BE THE NEWER REGISTRATIONS AS OF THEY WERE CREATED FOR THE USE IN THE ONE ELECTION.
YOU HAVE IN HAND A SUMMARY OF SANDOVAL COUNTY'S POSTED VOTER REGISTRATIONS OFF OF THE SECRETARY OF STATE MONTHLY REPORTS.
ACCORDING TO US, YOU HAVE 105,304 REGISTRANTS AT THE END OF JUNE, 2021, AND AMAZINGLY HAVE 105,369 REGISTRANTS BY JUNE 30, 2023.
THAT IS TWO YEARS LATER IN A NET DIFFERENCE OF 65 VOTER REGISTRANTS.
BUT WAIT, IT GETS EVEN MORE RIDICULOUS.
YOU SOMEHOW LEAPT TO 9500 REGISTRANTS AT ONE POINT IN THAT TWO YEAR PERIOD.
IT BEGS THE QUESTION, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SELECTIVE CLOWNS DOING? THE NEXT TURNOUT SHOWS NEW MEXICO STATEWIDE VOTER ID NUMBERS ISSUED BEGINNING 160, THEY GO FROM 210,977- 258,586.
THE SECRETARY OF STATE PUMPED OUT 47,609 UNIQUE NUMBERS TO VOTE WITH OVER THE NINE MONTH PERIOD OF SEPTEMBER, 2020- JUNE, 2021.
IN APRIL, 2022, THE SECRETARY OF STATE HAD HER MACHINE PUMPING NUMBERS OUT AT THE LEVEL OF 292,000.
THEREFORE, IN 18 MONTHS SHE HAD GENERATED OVER 81,000 VOTER ID NUMBERS.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: THANK YOU, VICTORIA.
MIKA CRYSTAL FOLLOWED BY MARY BURGESS FOLLOWED BY JOHN VELTRY.
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CONTINUING FOR VICTORIA.BASED ON THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S DATA IN THE NINE MONTHS FROM MAY, 2022-JANUARY OF 2023, SHE HAD TO HAVE PUMPED OUT AT LEAST 27,231 ID NUMBERS.
WITH THAT, WE ARE AT A MINIMUM OF ID NUMBER 16319478.
THAT IS AROUND 108,200 UNIQUE ID NUMBERS GENERATED OVER TWO ELECTION CYCLES.
AND EVEN THAT NUMBER IS THE REARVIEW MIRROR TODAY.
IT WAS WELL OVER 35,000 VOTER ID CARDS AGO.
THE NEWS OUT OF NEW YORK AND MICHIGAN IS SHINING EVEN MORE LIKE ON WHAT NEW MEXICO HAS KNOWN FOR OVER TWO YEARS.
INFORMATION THAT A LOT OF COUNTY OFFICIALS HAVE CHOSEN TO IGNORE.
EFFECTIVELY TELLING US THE AUDIENCE THAT THEY ENDORSE THE SELECTION PROCESS AND DON'T CHOOSE TO CONDUCT ELECTIONS.
IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO CHOOSE THAT COURSE AND UPHOLD THEIR OATH OF OFFICE.
AGAIN, I'M GOING TO SAY THE NEWS OUT OF NEW YORK AND MICHIGAN IS SHINING EVEN MORE LIGHT ON WHAT NEW MEXICO HAS KNOWN FOR OVER TWO YEARS.
INFORMATION THAT A LOT OF COUNTY OFFICIALS HAVE CHOSEN TO IGNORE.
EFFECTIVELY, TELLING US, THE AUDIENCE, THAT THEY ENDORSE THE SELECTION PROCESS AND DON'T CHOOSE TO CONDUCT ELECTIONS.
IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO CHOOSE THAT COURSE AND UPHOLD THEIR OATH'S OF OFFICE.
DO WE WANT NEW MEXICO TO BE GETTING THIS TYPE OF REPUTATION? LOOK WHO WE ARE JOINING.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: THANK YOU, MICAH.
MARY BURGESS FOLLOWED BY JOHN VELTRY FOLLOWED BY -- OH, I THINK THIS PERSON ALREADY TALKED.
>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONER HEIL AND COMMISSIONERS.
I'M MARY BURGESS FROM RIO RANCHO.
MY TOPIC TONIGHT, MY QUESTION IS WHO DO YOU WORK FOR? THIS SEEMS STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTION TO ANSWER TO YOURSELF IMMEDIATELY.
I WONDER TO MYSELF AFTER MANY MEETINGS HERE.
IN READING A BOOK TITLED "BLOODLINE OF THE HOLY GRAIL" BY LAWRENCE GARDNER, AN ESOTERIC GRAIL FLOOR, THE CHALICE OF THE VINE SUPPORT THE IDEA OF SERVICE.
WHEREAS, THE BLOOD AND WINE CORRESPOND TO THE ETERNAL SPIRITS OF FULFILLMENT.
THE SPIRITUAL QUEST OF THE GRAIL IS, THEREFORE, A DESIRE FOR FULFILLING THROUGH GIVING AND RECEIVING SERVICES.
THAT WHICH IS CALLED THE GRAIL CODE IS ITSELF A PARABLE FOR THE HUMAN CONDITION.
IN THAT, IT IS THE QUEST OF ALL OF US TO ACHIEVE THROUGH SERVICE.
SO OUR FOREFATHERS USED THE GRAIL CODE AS A GUIDE IN WRITING OUR CONSTITUTION.
BUT INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, LIBERTIES, AND WELFARE ARE CONTROLLED BY THE POLITICAL DICTATE.
SO THE REPRESENTATIVES IN OUR GOVERNMENT ARE CHOSEN BY THE PEOPLE TO GOVERN FOR THE PEOPLE, BUT IT'S A PARADOXICAL RESULT.
IN GENERAL, IT'S THEIR GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE.
THIS IS IN DIRECT OPPOSITION TO THE GRAIL CODE.
SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR US WHO ELECTED EACH OF YOU COMMISSIONERS? AGAIN, WHO DO EACH OF YOU WORK FOR? PLEASE SHOW US IN YOUR STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWER.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: THANK YOU, MARY.
JOHN VELTRY FOLLOWED BY ALAN PARRISH.
>> THANK YOU, SIR, FOR PASSING THOSE OUT.
JOHN VELTRY, NEW MEXICO TRANSPARENCY NETWORK.
WHAT YOU JUST RECEIVED IS A DOCUMENT THAT CAME HOT OFF THE PRESS TWO DAYS AGO AND THE EVIDENCE FROM THIS INVESTIGATION EXPOSES CRIMINAL ELECTION FRAUD
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INVOLVING THOUSANDS OF FRAUDULENT BALLOTS IN THE SMALL TOWN IN MICHIGAN.THIS INVESTIGATION WAS COVERED UP BY THE PUBLIC JUST YESTERDAY.
18 MONTHS WORKING ON SIMPLE BASIC WAYS TO MAKE FUTURE ELECTIONS MORE FAIR AND SECURE SIMPLY BY PROVIDING THE USE OF UNSUPERVISED DROP BOXES, REDUCING AND/OR ELIMINATING DROP BOXES SO BALLOT STUFFING, KNOWN AS BALLOT HARVESTING, AND OCCUR.
WE'RE DOING GOOD IN SANDOVAL COUNTY ON THAT WHEN.
REMOVING ACTIVE VOTERS BY CLEANING UP VOTERS SO DEAD PEOPLE CAN VOTE FOLKS WHO HAVE MOVED OUT OF THE STATE CAN'T VOTE ILLEGALLY.
SANDOVAL COUNTY IS DOING PRETTY GOOD ON THAT ONE, TOO.
REMOVING ALL ELECTRONIC VOTING SYSTEMS AND GETTING BACK TO PAPER BALLOTS 200 YEARS AGO INTENDING IT TO BE SO THAT ALL VOTES ARE COUNTED BY HUMANS AND WINNERS ARE DETERMINED BY THE END OF THE DAY.
IF FRANCE CAN DO IT WITH MILLIONS OF VOTERS DETERMINED BY THE END OF THE DAY, SO CAN WE.
MAKE VOTER ID REQUIRED SO VOTES ARE NOT STOLEN AND VOTERS AREN'T SURPRISED WHEN THEY SHOW UP AT THE POLE TO DO THEIR AMERICAN DUTY AND FIND OUT THERE VOTES ARE ALREADY USED.
MORE TRANSPARENT AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE GOOD FAIR POSTELECTION AUDIT SO WE MAY BE ABLE TO MAKE FUTURE ELECTIONS BETTER.
REMEMBER WE CAN AND WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
IN THE LAST 16 SECONDS, MR. GARCIA MADE IT CLEAR WE'RE A POOR COUNTY.
WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO HELP WITH THE HORSE SOLUTIONS THAT MAY CAUSE $10 MILLION, YET I SAT HERE AND WATCHED 18 MONTHS THIS COMMISSION SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: THANK YOU, JOHN.
>> I JUST DROPPED BY AS AN OBSERVER.
I PUT MY NAME ON THE LIST, SO NOW I'M SPEAKING AND I CAN ONLY SAY THAT REGARDLESS OF THE PROBLEMS WE'VE HAD WITH VOTING, IF WE DON'T HAVE VOTING, THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT ALL ASPECTS OF IT, BUT IF YOU DON'T VOTE, ULTIMATELY, SCREWING YOURSELF.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: THANK YOU, ALAN.
[9. APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA ]
OKAY.MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
>> MOVED TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: MADAME CLERK?
THERE ARE NO ORDINANCES TO ADOPT.
[11.A. Request for a Motion to Review, Discuss and Adopt Resolution No. 8-9-23.11A Approving the 2025-2029 Infrastructure Capital Improvement Plan (ICIP) projects for Sandoval County to be submitted to the State of New Mexico.]
SO THAT BRINGS US TO RESOLUTIONS AND WE HAVE A RESOLUTION FOR ICIP PROJECTS.>> MR. CHAIR, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MARK HATZENBUELLER, THE MANAGER DRIVING AROUND THE TRUCK GUY, FIRE GUY, THE WHOLE BUSINESS AS WELL AS PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
HE WORKED WITH OUR PARKS DIRECTOR TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTOOD THIS EVENING, WE DO A LOT OF GUESSWORK WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER THE ICIP.
SOME OF IT HAVING TO DO WITH FUNDS.
TRYING TO READ THE ORDER THAT YOU WANT TO PLACE SOME OF THESE ITEMS IN.
WE FULLY EXPECT THERE MAY BE SOME CHANGES TONIGHT AND WE FULLY EXPECT TO MAKE CHANGES SET BY THE COMMISSION.
>> I APOLOGIZE THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH ME ON THIS.
WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS REQUEST TO REVIEW, DISCUSS, AND ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 8-9- 11 A APPROVING 2025 -- PROJECTS PERCENT OF THE COUNTY TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO.
ALL DEPARTMENTS SUBMITTED PROJECTS THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE IN THE ICIP.
JOHN AND ME WORKED TO GET THEM INTO THE PROGRAM STATE DATABASE AND WE MET WITH WAYNE AND CAME UP WITH THE TOP 10.
YOU GUYS NEED TO CHOOSE A TOP-FIVE.
YOU CAN CHANGE THE ORDER HOWEVER YOU WANT.
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WHEN WE GO FOR FUNDING WHETHER IT'S FEDERAL, ANY FUNDING, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ASK YOU IS IS IT IN YOUR ICIP PLAN? THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THEY ASK YOU IF YOU WANT TO GET GRANT FUNDING.A LOT OF THESE WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR LEGISLATOR.
WE WENT THROUGH STAFF AND CHOSE THE TOP 10 THAT WE RECOMMEND.
THE FIRST IS -- BEEN ON THE TOP FOR A LONG TIME.
WE ACTUALLY GOT THE ENGINEERS ESTIMATES FOR THE 30% PLAN, AND THAT'S WITHIN THERE, SO THE COST CAME IN AT $19,265,000, SO WE ARE SHORT ABOUT $13 MILLION.
THAT ONE IS FOR THE DEAL OVER HERE.
THAT IS THE COST WE HAVE PUT IN THERE.
SOME MONEY HAS BEEN PUT TO IT, BUT THAT'S ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED.
WE ARE GOING TO DO STUDIES TO SEE HOW IT WORKS, IF IT WILL WORK, IF IT'S EVEN FEASIBLE.
NEXT A SHERIFF'S OFFICE VEHICLES.
THERE ALWAYS NEEDING VEHICLES.
THAT IS THE TOP-FIVE THAT WE PUT IN THERE FOR THE COUNTY.
NEXT WHEN WE PUT ON THERE IS ANTONIO UP IN PLACITAS SANTA ROAD.
CORRIDOR STUDY IS NUMBER SEVEN, ANIMAL SHELTER STILL NUMBER EIGHT.
AMBULANCES FOR MEDICAL SERVICES THAT PROVIDE AMBULANCE SERVICES TO THE NORTHERN HALF OF SCANNABLE COUNTY UNDER CONTRACT BY THE COUNTY, AND THE LAST ONE IS PENA BLOCK COMMUNITY SERVICES.
THOSE ARE THE RECOMMENDED TOP 10.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I GET A CLARIFICATION ON ITEM 9, WHICH SAYS PRESBYTERIAN MEDICAL SERVICES AMBULANCES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
WHY WOULD IT HAVE PRESBYTERIAN HEALTH SERVICES IF IT'S FOR OUR PEOPLE?
>> THEY HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLICATION.
THEY ARE UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE MEDICAL SERVICES UP THERE, SO WE JUST BACKED FOR THE MONEY FOR THOSE AMBULANCES.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
BRUCH: I HAVE A FEW, CHAIRMAN, IF THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
BRUCH: NOT PARTICULARLY HAPPY WITH THE LIST OR THE ORDER AND I WOULD JUST SAY THERE ARE THINGS I SEE IS PRIORITY IN ICY MANY OF MY CONSTITUENTS AND COMMISSIONERS MIGHT PRIORITIZE.
I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH THE COMMENT ABOUT PBD AND THAT IS WE HAVE HAD IT NUMBER ONE ON OUR LIST FOR A LONG TIME AND IT'S A HUGE TICKET ITEM.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET A LOT OF SUPPORT OUT OF SOME OF OUR COMMUNITIES ON THIS ITEM OTHER THAN THE CITY OF RIO RANCHO.
MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT BERNALILLO COUNTY HAS NOT SHOWN GOOD SUPPORT OR INTEREST IN CONTINUING ACCESS I-40 ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
I KNOW IT'S A LONG-TERM PROJECT.
I'M NOT SAYING WE ELIMINATE IT, BUT IF KNOWING THE TIMELINES INVOLVED AND KNOWING THE PARTNERS THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, SHOULD IT BE NUMBER ONE? SECOND, WITH REGARDS TO THE JUDICIAL COMPLEX, I HAVE HEARD MY CONSTITUENTS QUITE CLEARLY.
I STILL THINK THAT WE UNDER STATUTE DO HAVE AN OBLIGATION, AND I THINK MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE ASKING WHAT IS THE REAL NEED, AND I THINK WE'VE SPOKEN MANY TIMES THAT OUR REAL NEED IS THAT WE HAVE FEW COURT ROOMS TO JUDGES.
WE ANTICIPATE THE JUDGES BEING APPOINTED FOR THE 13TH JUDICIAL.
WE ALSO ANTICIPATE THAT REMODELING PROCESS WHEN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE MOVES INTO THEIR NEW BUILDING WILL BE FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT.
WE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS PROGRAM, DONE PROGRAM AND PLANNING AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES SITUATIONS.
THE ISSUES AROUND SECURITY THAT WERE MENTIONED IN OTERO COUNTY AROUND TRANSPORT FOR PRISONERS.
THOSE ITEMS ARE STILL A PROBLEM EVEN THOUGH OUR FACILITY IS RELATIVELY NEW.
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MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE WILL BE A MEETING OF THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE COURTS IN OCTOBER AND THEY ARE POTENTIALLY COMMITTING SOME SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS TO THIS PROJECT.IN TERMS OF WHAT OUR COMMITMENT WILL BE, BUT I STILL THINK IT DEFINITELY DESERVES ATTENTION.
OUR ADMINISTRATION BUILDING CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION.
AGAIN, IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THIS BUILDING A FEW TIMES, AS MANY OF YOU HAVE, IT'S VERY POORLY DESIGNED.
WE HAVE A LOT OF WASTED SPACE AND A LOT OF SPACE THAT'S IN IT IS UNDERUTILIZED AND SOME DEPARTMENTS ARE IN REALLY BAD SHAPE.
WE ALSO HAVE ISSUES AROUND WHERE OUR SERVERS ARE AND HOW THOSE ARE ACCESSED BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE BASEMENT.
WE KNOW PLANNING AROUND WHAT THEY NEED TO DO FOR THIS BUILDING SHOULD START NOW.
A LOT OF THESE BIG DOLLARS ARE A FINISHED PRODUCT.
NOT THE PHASING THAT YOU OFTEN RECOMMEND FOR US, SO WE KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT TO GET PLANNING DONE, PROGRAMMING DONE, GENERIC DONE SO THAT WE CAN GO TO OUR LEGISLATORS, GO TO EXECUTIVE AND SAY WE NEED DOLLARS TO MAKE THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
I FEEL A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE DISPATCH CENTER BEING ON HERE.
I'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH COUNTY MANAGER.
I KNOW WE ARE STILL IN A PRECARIOUS POSITION WITH OUR PARTNERS AT RIO RANCHO AND WE DO NEED TO COME TO SOME RESOLUTION, AND I UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC HERE.
IF WE DON'T LIST IT, WE WILL NEVER GET THE MONEY OR HAVE ANYONE CONSIDERING GIVING US THEIR MONEY.
THE REALITY IS WE STILL NEED TO WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS TO TRY TO REACH RESOLUTION THAT BENEFITS US ALL.
IT BEING THERE IS KIND OF LIKE THROWING A KNIFE AT SOMEBODY.
WE MAY HAVE TO PUSH THEM, BUT DO WE NEED TO PUSH THEM THAT HARD BY SAYING OH, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD OUR OWN.
I'VE HAD AN ONGOING CONVERSATION AROUND VEHICLES, AMBULANCE'S, SHERIFF'S VEHICLES.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT, IN MY OPINION, COSTS WE HAVE TO BEAR AS A COUNTY.
WHEN WE PUT THEM ON OUR LIST, OFTEN WE GET THEM PAID FOR.
THAT IS NOT ALWAYS NECESSARILY WAY IT'S GOING TO WORK AND THE REALITY IS THESE ARE THINGS THAT WEAR OUT AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE THEM SO WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT A PLAN FOR REPLACING THESE THINGS IF SOMEONE DOESN'T HAND US $100,000.
ON THE LIST BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN THE TOP FIVE OR 10.
I PRETTY MUCH TALKED ABOUT EVERYTHING HERE EXCEPT WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS THERE'S NOT A WATER PROJECT IN THE TOP 10 IN WATER IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS MANY OF US ARE FACING AND WHAT WE'LL BE DOING IN THE FUTURE.
THE ANIMAL SHELTER, AS I UNDERSTAND, IS PROBABLY FUNDED, BUT WE WANT TO GET IT FINISHED.
IN MY OPINION, IT SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED.
WITH WATER, BROADBAND AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTY IS CRITICAL.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT AND I'D LIKE TO SAY I'D LIKE TO SEE US ELEVATE OUR BROADBAND STUDY.
WE KNOW THAT $15 MILLION IS NOT THE STUDY.
IT'S AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE FUTURE WOULD BRING.
THE STUDY PORTION OF IT MIGHT BE HALF $1 MILLION.
THE REALITY IS WE'VE GOT TO PUT SOMETHING THERE TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO GET BROADBAND TO THE MORE RURAL PARTS OF OUR COUNTY.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: OF THE COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER BLOCK.
BLOCK: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
FIRST OF ALL, NO ONE HAS THANKED THE STAFF FOR PUTTING THIS LIST TOGETHER.
MANY COMMISSIONERS DON'T THINK THE STAFF ON THIS AND WHAT IT TAKES TO PUT THIS LIST TOGETHER.
I WANT TO THANK YOU, COUNTY MANAGER AND STAFF, FOR PUTTING THIS LIST TOGETHER.
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I ALSO THINK -- IS CRITICAL AND CONTINUES TO BE CRITICAL.WE'VE GOT TO BE THINKING CRITICALLY.
YOU GOT TO BE THINKING STRATEGICALLY HERE.
IF YOU'RE NOT THINKING STRATEGICALLY ABOUT THE FUTURE OF GROWTH IN SANDOVAL COUNTY AND WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT, THEN YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MAIN ISSUE.
COMES TO WATER, I AGREE COMPLETELY, BUT WE HAVE WATER COVERED ON THE ARPA PROJECTS THAT WE PRIORITIZE IN DIFFERENT TRANCHES, SO WE'VE GOT THAT COVERED.
THE ONLY ISSUES I HAVE WITH THIS AND I SUPPORTED THE JUDICIAL COMPLEX EXPANSION ON THE BALLOT, BUT THE VOTERS SAID NO.
JUST MY OPINION, I DON'T THINK THAT BELONGS AT NUMBER TWO.
EVEN THOUGH I SUPPORT IT, THE VOTERS SAID NO AND THEY DIDN'T WANT THIS.
THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION, YEP.
I THINK I READ YOUR NOTE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I THINK COMMISSIONER BRUCH HAS A POINT WHERE THERE'S BEEN LIMBO GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH OUR PARTNERS.
IF YOU LOOK AT PRIORITY NUMBER SIX, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE KEEP TALKING INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE HIGHWAYS, ROADS, AND BRIDGES.
THE ANIMAL SHELTER HAS GOT TO MOVE UP.
I KNOW, I TALKED TO PEOPLE IN PENA BLOCK FOR HELP FOR ACTIVITIES FOR YOUNG PEOPLE TO DO THERE.
I WOULD RECOMMEND MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION THAT WE PUSH DOWN NUMBER TWO, NUMBER FOUR, AND THEN PROBABLY KEEP THE OTHERS WHERE THEY ARE AND BRING ANIMAL SHELTER UP INTO NUMBER FIVE.
NUMBER ONE WOULD BE PDB, TWO WOULD BE THE ADMIN, THREE WOULD BE THE SHERIFF VEHICLES, FOUR WOULD BE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE BRIDGES, HIGHWAYS, ROADS, FIVE WOULD BE THE ANIMAL SHELTER, AND IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH TO FUND SOME STUFF AFTER THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD GET A HANDLE ON THE TOP FIVE IN MY OPINION, BUT PDB HAS TO BE NUMBER ONE.
WE CAN SAY IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
WE'VE GOT TO KEEP FIGHTING FOR IT.
PUTTING THAT OFF THE LIST IS JUST A DUMB THING TO DO.
ANYONE HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? GO FOR IT.
I WOULD SAY I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BLOCK ABOUT BEING STRATEGIC AND THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE NUMBER ONE AND THE JUDICIAL COMPLEX AND THE DISPATCH CENTER ALL NEED TO BE IN THE TOP FIVE TO SHOW IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN WE GO TO GET THIS MONEY.
RIGHT NOW WITH DISPATCH WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN STATEMENTS THINGS COULD HAPPEN QUICKLY IN A WAY THAT WON'T BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COUNTY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE SCRAMBLING FOR THE COUNTY.
IF IT'S NOT HERE, WE HAVE NOWHERE TO GET THE COUNTY FROM.
I'M FOR THOSE THREE BEING IN THE TOP FIVE AND WOULD CONSIDER ANY OTHERS THAT JOIN IT.
SO PDV, THERE ARE GOING TO BE ANY NEW BRIDGES.
THE COUNTY'S GROWING EXTREMELY FAST THANKS TO RIO RANCHO, WHICH IS 97% OF THE GROWTH OF THE COUNTY.
I THINK WE CURRENTLY HAVE SOMEWHERE AROUND 40,000 PEOPLE AT LIVE IN SOUTHERN SANDOVAL COUNTY, INCLUDING BERNALILLO AND AS THE COMMUNITY GROWS WE NEED TO GET MORE JOBS ON THE WEST SIDE AND THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT IS GET PDB IN PLACE TO ACCOMPLISH SOME.
I AGREE WITH THE STRATEGY ON THAT ONE.
THE JUDICIAL COMPLEX, YEAH, THERE IS A LOAN IN PLACE THAT SAYS WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A SUITABLE COURTHOUSE, SO WHO IS GOING TO DECIDE WHAT IS SUITABLE FOR OTERO
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COUNTY? THE AOC DECIDED WHAT WAS SUITABLE.THAT'S ONE INTERESTING THING WORKING WITH THE AOC.
AOC IS THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE OF THE COURTS.
AND IT IS IN THE LAW THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH PROVIDING A SUITABLE FACILITY, SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO STAY ON THE TOP.
I'M ON THE FENCE WITH REGARD TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING.
I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BRUCH THAT THERE IS CERTAINLY A LOT OF WASTED SPACE.
THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THE REASON WE WANT TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THIS IS THAT HERE WE HAVE THIS COMMISSION CHAMBERS HERE ON THE THIRD FLOOR AND PROBABLY BEEN MUCH BETTER MANAGED FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT WE ARE ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THIS SPACE CAN BE UTILIZED FOR SOME OTHER THINGS.
THIS PLAN WAS WRITTEN FOR THE DISPATCH CENTER WAS PROBABLY A VERY UNREALISTIC PLAN.
THE FACT THAT THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY IS BASED ON ASSUMPTIONS THAT SANDOVAL COUNTY IS THE FASTEST GROWING COUNTY IN THE STATE.
THE ASSUMPTIONS DON'T INCLUDE THE FASTEST GROWING IN THE COUNTY IS SERIOUSLY FLAWED.
YOU CAN'T BASE THE FACILITY NEED ON THE OVERALL GROWTH OF THE COUNTY WHEN THE PART OF THE COUNTY WE USE THE FACILITY IS GROWING AT A MUCH -- RATE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AT LEAST OVER THE PAST 12 YEARS, WHEREAS RIO RANCHO HAS BEEN 97% OF THE GROWTH OF THE COUNTY.
THE NON- RIO RANCHO PORTION OF THE COUNTY IS GROWING AT 1/25 OF A PERCENTAGE POINT.
I WOULD TAKE EVEN IN COMPOUNDING AT LEAST 20 YEARS TO GET A 1% GROWTH FOR THE NON-RIO RANCHO PORTION OF THE COUNTY.
THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY ON THE SANDOVAL COUNTY GROWING FAST AND IGNORING THE FACT THAT RIO RANCHO IS THE KEY ELEMENT OF THAT GROWTH I THINK CREATES A SERIOUS DISCREPANCY.
ALSO, THE PROJECT COST VERY DISPATCH OPERATIONS CENTER IS $12 MILLION.
ESPECIALLY THAT IS GOING TO SERVE 30% OF THE POPULATION OF THE COUNTY.
THE COUNTY CURRENTLY PAYS $1.4 MILLION A YEAR FOR DISPATCH SERVICES FROM RIO RANCHO.
THIS IS 30% OF THE DISPATCH OPERATION.
THE TOTAL COST OF THE DISPATCH OPERATION IS $3.4 MILLION.
THE STAFFING FOR THE CURRENT DISPATCH IS 51 PEOPLE.
THE COST OF THE DISPATCH SHOULD BE BASED ON THE STAFF SIZE NECESSARY TO SUPPORT 30% OR LESS OF THE COUNTY POPULATION AND SHOULD INCLUDE REALISTIC ASSUMPTIONS FOR GROWTH.
IF 51 DISPATCH PERSONNEL MUST SERVE 100% OF THE COUNTY, 18% SHOULD REQUIRE NINE OR 10 PEOPLE.
THIS REPORT PROPOSES THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $12 MILLION TO HOUSE 10-15 PEOPLE.
THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING WHICH COSTS $10 MILLION HOUSES ABOUT 40 SHERIFF PERSONNEL PLUS MO STAFF PLUS TRAINING.
BY COMPARISON, NEW DISPATCH COMPARISON SHOULD COST LESS THAN $3 MILLION, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING IT WILL SERVE A SMALL PORTION OF THE COUNTY.
WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE MOVING THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS TO THE FIRST FLOOR.
THAT MEANS THERE COULD BE AVAILABLE SPACE IN THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING TO HOUSE A NEW DISPATCH RATHER THAN BUILDING A $12 MILLION BUILDING.
THE CURRENT DISPATCH OPERATION UTILIZES ABOUT 7000 FT.
² PLUS SOME ACCOMMODATION FOR OPEN SPACE OR COMMON SPACE.
FOR 51 DISPATCH PERSONNEL, SOME DISPATCHING FOR 18% OF THE COUNTY WOULD REQUIRE ABOUT 2000 FT.
² BASED ON THE COMPARISONS THAT I'VE MADE OR 30% ABOUT 3000 FT.
HOW CAN WE JUSTIFY SPENDING $12 MILLION FOR THIS AMOUNT OF SPACE? ALSO, THERE'S INFORMATION I HAVE GARNERED FROM THE STATE THAT IN ABOUT 24 MONTHS
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THERE WILL BE IN OPERATION COORDINATION OF -- CALLS WILL BE MORE ACHIEVABLE WITH BASIC EQUIPMENT THAT CAN MAKE DISPATCHING FOR SMALLER CUSTOMER ROOTS.HOW WE CONSIDER THIS? THE NUMBERS ON HERE ARE PROJECTED OUT OF THE 26 AND 27 AND THAT'S CLEARLY OUT OF THE COMING MONTHS.
STILL, WE OUGHT TO BE LOOKING AT THE FACT AS TO WHERE WE ARE GOING TO GO OFF AND SPEND $12 MILLION ON A DISPATCH CENTER.
THE REPORT ALSO STATES I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE OPERATING BUDGET IS THIS IN THIS PROJECTION? I DON'T SEE IT ANYWHERE.
THE REPORT STATES THE PROJECT, THE LOWER OPERATING COST CONSIDERING THE COUNTY IS CURRENTLY PAYING FOR DISPATCH AND THE FACT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $12 MILLION ON A BUILDING THAT YOU CAN TELL ME WE'RE GOING TO SAVE MONEY, I DON'T BELIEVE IT.
YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH MUCH BETTER DATA WHERE THAT'S GOING TO COME FROM.
WHAT WILL THE ANNUAL DEBT COST BE TO TAXPAYERS AND THE ECONOMIC IMPACT ON THIS REPORT.
THEY SAY IT'S GOING TO GROW JOBS.
WELL, IT REALLY ISN'T BECAUSE WE CAN TAKE JOBS FROM THE CURRENT DISPATCH CENTER AND MOVE IT TO ANYONE, THAT'S TRADE-OFF.
SO THE TIMING, THE TIMING IS ALSO CONSIDERED.
HERE WE HAVE ELECTED OFFICIALS GOING TO THE CONSIDERATION OF DISPATCH OPERATIONS.
NO DECISION HAS YET BEEN MADE, BUT THAT ASSUMPTION INCLUDES CERTAIN OTHER ENTITIES ARE GOING TO BE PART OF THIS.
WHERE IS ANOTHER FACTOR? IF YOU HAVE TWO PCAPS, PCAPS'S HERE'S A DISPATCH AND HERE'S A DISPATCH.
-- TO DECIDE TO SWITCH FROM ONE PCAP TO ANOTHER ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
WHAT COST CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THAT? FROM A PRIORITY STANDPOINT, THE BROADBAND QUARTER STUDIES AND ANIMAL SHELTER ARE TWO ICIP ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND CERTAINLY SHOULD HAVE A GREATER PRIORITY.
BROADBAND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY CAN BE A VERY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND EDUCATION.
THE ANIMAL SHELTER FUNDING IS CERTAINLY ALIGNED WITH OUR ANIMAL WELFARE STRATEGY AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
I HAVE MORE TO SAY ABOUT THIS DISPATCH CENTER AND I'D LIKE TO PASS THESE DOWN TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND THEY CAN SHARE WITH SOME OF THE STAFF THERE.
SO WHY ARE WE IN THE SITUATION IN THE FIRST PLACE? SO WITH THE PAST TWO YEARS, THE CITY AND COUNTY HAS BEEN IN DISCUSSION OVER THE OPERATION OF THE DISPATCH.
THE COUNTY FEELS THE DISPATCH, THE DISPATCH OPERATION HAS GROWN CONSIDERABLY.
THE COUNTY FEELS SOME OF THE DISPATCH TRAINING IS FOCUSED ON THE -- THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION BETWEEN THE CITY AND COUNTY AS TO WHAT A JAPA MEANS.
THERE'S A DISAGREEMENT ABOUT THE LEGAL HANDLING OF -- THE CITY AND THE COUNTY HAVE ENGAGED IN MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS AND TO DATE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO AGREE ON A JAPA PROCESS.
THIS VIEW PERCEIVES DISPATCH TO BE A CITY FUNCTION THE PROVIDES SERVICES.
THE COUNTY CONSIDERS THE JAPA TO BE A SEPARATE BODY FOR WHICH THE CITY SERVES AS THE FISCAL AGENT.
THE CITY DISPATCH VOLUME IS ABOUT 60% OF THE OPERATION AND THE CITY BOARD ONLY REPRESENTS 20% OF THE BOARD.
THE CITY FEELS THAT THIS AMOUNT OF HER PRESENTATION DOES NOT END UP WITH REPRESENT THEIR VOICE ON THE BOARD.
IN REVIEWING OTHER JAPA PROCESSES ACROSS THE STATE, OTHER JAPA'S DO HAVE BOARD WERE PRESENTATION THAT IS MORE PROPORTIONAL TO THE USER VOLUME.
THE CITY LOOKS AT THE DISPATCH RECORD AS BEING A CO-CUSTODIAN TYPE SITUATION.
BECAUSE THE INPUT TO RECORD HIS DISPATCHERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS.
THE CITY WILL NOT HANDLE DISPATCH -- AND TRIBES FOR THEIR USE.
THE COUNTY SEES THE DISPATCH RECORD AS THE SOLE SPONSOR BELIEF DISPATCH AND DISPATCH WILL HANDLE ALL DISPATCH RECORDS.
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THE COUNTY FEELS IT'S RIGHT ABOUT THE LEGAL JAPA'S PROCESS.THE CITY IS NOT WILLING TO REALLY WHICH CONTROL BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF VOLUME THAT THEY HAVE.
THE STATE APPEARS TO BE WILLING TO APPROVE ANOTHER PCAP, BUT NOT WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT COST.
COMMISSIONERS, WE SEE THAT TO ACHIEVE SEPARATE PCAP, THE PROPOSED DISPATCH CENTER WILL COST $12 MILLION.
SO NOW WE HAVE A SITUATION IN WHICH WE SEE THAT THE COST OF BEING RIGHT IS A STEWARD OF THE COUNTY FINANCES ARE YOU MORE INTERESTED IN BEING RIGHT ABOUT THE LEGAL JAPA PROCESS OR DO YOU FEEL THAT SOME CONCESSIONS ARE IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE IN A DISPATCH OPERATION THAT MITIGATES THE COST TO THE TAXPAYER.
I THINK YOU CAN GET FROM MY COMMENTS AT THE DISPATCH CENTER DOESN'T BELONG IN THE TOP FIVE.
CERTAINLY WITHOUT ANSWERING QUESTIONS THAT ARE LACKING IN REPORTS THAT ATTACH.
FOR MY PERSPECTIVE BOTTOM LINE, PDV, COMPLEX, ANIMAL SHELTER, AND BROADBAND I THINK, THAT ONE ABOUT BRIDGES I COULD ALSO CONSIDER.
I MAY HAVE MORE THAN FIVE IN MY TIME, BUT IT KIND OF GIVES YOU A SENSE WHERE I'M THINKING.
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: I D HAVE ONE MORE, CHAIRMAN?
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY I APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT, BUT WE'RE BEING PUSHED INTO A CORNER BY DISPATCH.
THIS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE SPENDING MONEY ON.
THIS IS A GUIDE WHERE WE'RE GOING ON A COMMUNITY AND LOOKING TO GET MONEY FROM STATE LEGISLATORS FROM THE STATE ON A PROJECT, WHICH WE CAN'T GET, TO SPEND MORE TIME DISCUSSING THE DISPATCH CENTER.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT MORE THAN ANYTHING BUT MAYBE THE COURTHOUSE.
I CANNOT SEE HOW THAT IS NOT ONE OF THE TOP FIVE THINGS I SHOULD HAVE ON HERE.
I'M NOT STATING THAT THE $12 MILLION IS A CORRECTED NUMBER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, BUT EVERYTHING IN THE TOP FIVE NEEDS TO BE THINGS WE ARE DISCUSSING ON A REGULAR BASIS, AND THIS CERTAINLY IS ONE OF THOSE.
WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU.
>> COMMISSIONER MEEK, THAT'S WHY THE FIRST 2025 IS A STUDY TO SEE HOW MUCH IT WILL COST AND ALL THAT STUFF.
EVERYTHING UP TO THAT IS GUESSES.
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: IT CAN BE READJUSTED AT THAT POINT.
>> IT CAN BE READJUSTED AFTER THE STUDY.
SO I GUESS WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS GET TO A CONSENSUS HERE OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE TOP FIVE.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS YOU NEED TO DO IS HAVE A CLEAR MOTION OF THE ORDER THAT WAY WE KNOW WHAT THE DIRECTION OF THE COMMISSION.
BRUCH: BEFORE WE DO THAT, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU ARE SOME THINGS THAT I CAN GET BEHIND.
BOTH OF YOU, ACTUALLY, WITH A LITTLE BIT OF COMPROMISE HERE.
I THINK WITH PACEL DE LACON SOME THINGS WE PROPOSE TO FUND HIS TRAFFIC STUDIES AROUND THE IMPACT 2550 AND THE TOWN OF BERNALILLO AND SANTA ANA I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
IF WE DO ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE AND IF YOU'RE WILLING TO MOVE DISPATCH AND SHERIFF VEHICLES DOWN AND MOVE BROADBAND AND ANIMAL SHELTER UP, THEN WE END UP WITH THOSE STILL BEING IN THE TOP 10 AND LEGISLATORS CAN CLEARLY FUND ANYTHING THAT'S IN THIS WHOLE BOOK ANYTHING THEY WANT.
I GUESS MY ONE COMMENT ON THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE GET? FROM OUR LEGISLATORS LAST YEAR WE DIDN'T DO VERY WELL.
THAT BEING SAID, WE MIGHT WANT TO BE TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THESE PROJECTS AND THE THINGS OF INTEREST TO THEM AND THEIR EXECUTIVES SO WE ARE MORE ALIGNED WITH THE THINGS WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD REGIONALLY AND WITHIN THE STATE.
AND I DO THINK THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, AS THE CHAIRMAN SAID BEFORE, ARE VERY BIG PRIORITIES.
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>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
BRUCH: I CAN MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION.
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: CAN YOU TELL US THE TOP FIVE NUMBERS?
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS GET TO A COUNT OF WHERE WE ARE WITH EACH ONE AND GO DOWN THE LIST AND SEE WHO AGREES.
ETC. AND THAT WILL GET US TO A POINT.
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
>> TRYING TO GET TO THE SAME PLACE.
WE HAVE FOUR COMMISSIONERS THIS EVENING AND MAYBE WE COULD COME UP WITH HOW MANY VOTES THAT WOULD INCLUDE PDV IN THE TOP FIVE.
BLOCK: PDV NUMBER ONE I DO NOT SUPPORT MORE FUNDING ON A STUDY WHAT IT'S GONNA DO TO THE TOWN OF BERNALILLO.
THIS IS TO ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC OFF OF I-25.
PUTTING MORE MONEY TO A STUDY, I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THAT.
ANYTIME GOVERNMENT WANTS TO DO A STUDY, THAT JUST MEANS IT WANTS TO DELAY A DECISION.
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: I SEE THAT IN THE TOP LINE.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN CHANGE AFTER THIS TIME.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: COMMISSIONER BRUCH.
SO WE GOT THREE VOTES FOR PDV.
BLOCK: AS I SAID BEFORE, THE VOTERS SAID NO.
AS MUCH AS I SUPPORT IT, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT IN THE TOP FIVE.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: COMMISSIONER MEEK?
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: I BELIEVE TO GET THE MONEY THE STATE SUPPOSEDLY SPEAKING ABOUT GETTING FOLLOWING MATERIALS LEAD, I THINK WE HAVE TO SHOW THIS IS OUR TOP PRIORITY TO GET THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FUND THIS.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: SO THAT'S MEEK?
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: NOT TOP TWO NECESSARILY, BUT TOP FIVE.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: AND COMMISSIONER BRUCH, AND HEIL ALSO GOOD FOR THAT ONE.
THIS IS JOBS AND WE'RE READY TO GO.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR ICIP IN PUTTING A PLAN WITH HIGH FIDELITY TOGETHER, AND MENSTRUATION PLAN WITH CONSTRUCTION IS ALREADY THAT.
WE HAVE A SOLID BOGEY ON THE PRICE AND COST AND WE HAVE PLANS FOR THE BUILDING.
SHOULD STAY IN THE TOP FIVE IN MY OPINION.
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: I THINK THERE WAS A GOOD COMMENT ABOUT IF THAT WAS TO BE COMPLETED THAT THIS WOULD LEAVE ROOM FOR DISPATCH OR A NUMBER OF ITEMS. MAYBE EVEN SOME JUDGES.
I BELIEVE THAT'S IN THE TOP FIVE TO GIVE US OPTIONS FOR OTHER ITEMS COMING UP.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: AND I GUESS I CAN VOTE FOR THAT ONE, TOO.
DISPATCH CENTER, COMMISSIONER BLOCK?
BLOCK: I HAVE MY OWN THOUGHTS ON THE DISPATCH CENTER.
I THINK WE CAN FIND SOME MONEY FROM THE STATE FOR OUR LEGISLATORS TO WORK THAT.
WE'RE STILL HAVING ISSUES WITH OUR PARTNERS TO WORK SOME THINGS OUT.
I DO NOT SUPPORT IT IN THE TOP FIVE.
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: I'M GOING TO AGREE.
I THINK THAT COULD BE MOVED OUTSIDE THE TOP FIVE ONES.
COMMISSIONER HEIL CERTAINLY AGREES WITH THAT.
SO THE NEXT ONE ON THE LIST WAS SHERIFF VEHICLES.
BLOCK: AGAIN, THIS IS ONE WHERE WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT.
WE HAVE A PRICE, THE COST, RATHER.
OUR DEPUTY IS DOING AN INCREDIBLE JOB.
I SUPPORT THIS IN THE TOP FIVE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE VEHICLES THEY ARE DRIVING SOME WITH OVER 100,000 MILES ON IT.
THIS SHOULD BE IN THE TOP FIVE.
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: I THINK THAT CAN SLIDE DOWN BECAUSE PEOPLE OF THE STATE, THE LEGISLATOR LOOKING EASY TARGETS TO PICK OFF AND YOU CAN BUY ONE VEHICLE AT A TIME AND THIS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED BY ONE PERSON GIVING US -- AS LONG AS
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THAT'S IN THE TOP 10, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A SUCCESSFUL THING FOR US TO GET MONEY FROM THE STATE.IS EASY FOR THEM TO GIVE US THAT, SO I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE PUTTING THAT IN THE TOP FIVE.
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: BELOW THE TOP FIVE.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: COMMISSIONER BRUCH? AND SO DOES COMMISSIONER HEIL.
SOMEBODY MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT BRIDGES AND I'M WONDERING WHICH BRIDGES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> [INAUDIBLE] >> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: WE ONLY HAVE THREE.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO.
SO FAR WE HAVE ENOUGH VOTES FOR FOUR OF THE TOP FIVE.
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE FOURTH ONE?
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: PDV JUDICIAL COMPLEX, ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, AND VEHICLES.
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: VEHICLES ARE GOING OUT OF THE TOP FIVE.
EVERYONE BELIEVES THOSE SHOULD BE LOWER THAN THE TOP FIVE.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: LET ME CLARIFY, BLOCK, YOU BELIEVE VEHICLES SHOULD BE OUT OF THE TOP FIVE?
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: NO, I BELIEVE VEHICLES ARE IN THE TOP FIVE.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: IN THE TOP FIVE.
MEEK BELIEVES THEY SHOULD BE IN THE TOP FIVE.
WE ONLY HAVE TWO VOTES FOR THAT ONE.
SO WHAT WAS THE -- BLOCK, YOU MENTIONED NUMBER FOUR AS BRIDGES.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: THE -- SANTA ROAD? IS THAT THE ONE?
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: SO, BLOCK FOR THE BRIDGES?
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: DID YOU SAY YES?
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: AND HEIL SAYS NO.
THE ANIMAL SHELTER, COMMISSIONER BLOCK?
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN CLARIFY, YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE SHERIFF VEHICLES?
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: LET'S GET THE TOP FIVE FIRST AND COME BACK TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I THINK YOU HIT IT EXACTLY RIGHT.
FOR OUR STRATEGIES FOR THE ANIMALS, I HAVE THAT AS MY NUMBER FIVE.
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: YES I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD GO IN THE TOP FIVE.
WE GOT FOUR IN THE TOP FIVE RIGHT NOW.
BROADBAND WAS THE NEXT ONE ON THE LIST.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: I'VE GOT PDV, JUDICIAL COMPLEX, ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, AND ANIMAL SHELTER IN THE TOP FOUR.
SO BROADBAND WAS NEXT ON THE LIST.
HUGE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IMPACTS.
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: I THINK -- >> J.
BLOCK: IF THAT'S THE LAST ITEM, WE ALREADY HAVE FOUR AND IF YOU'RE ASKING ME IF BROADBAND SHOULD BE NUMBER FIVE, THEN YES, I AGREE.
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: YES I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD BE IN THE TOP FIVE.
ESPECIALLY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THE FEDS ARE SENDING DOWN THE PIKE.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: COMMISSIONER BRUCH.
PDV, JUDICIAL COMPLEX, ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, ANIMAL SHELTER, AND BROADBAND.
SO NOW WHAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS IN THE NEXT FIVE, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> SHOULD RIPPLE AND CHAIRS VEHICLES RIPPLED HIM DOWN.
THEY WOULD END UP BEING SIX OR SEVEN OR DO YOU WANT THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE?
>> DOESN'T REALLY MATTER AFTER TOP FIVE.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: I WAS GOING TO SAY SLIDE THEM DOWN AFTER THE TOP FIVE.
I WOULD PUSH THEM DOWN UNDER THE TOP FIVE IN MY OPINION WOULD BE -- >> SHERIFF
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VEHICLES.>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: SHERIFF VEHICLES AND DISPATCH CENTER.
>> MOVE DISPATCH TO NUMBER EIGHT AND MAKE IT THE EASIEST FOR US TO DO.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: BY THE WAY, BEFORE WE GET TO LOOKING AT THE DISPATCH CENTER, WE NEED A BETTER PLAN.
WE NEED TO ANSWER MORE QUESTIONS AND WE NEED TO GET BACK TO WORKING OR CONSIDERING THIS WHAT IS THE COST OF BEING RIGHT? $12 MILLION THE COST OF BEING RIGHT.
I THINK WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT CONCESSIONS AND GO BACK TO THE TABLE AND START TALKING AGAIN.
BRUCH: I THINK WE'VE BEEN PUSHED HARD ON THIS.
I'VE BEEN SPEAKING WITH JURISDICTIONS AND MAYORS AND I THINK THEY HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT OUR ISSUES MAY OR MAY NOT BE AND EVERYONE WOULD LIKE RESOLUTION.
THAT WOULD BE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE.
BUT BEING RIGHT IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES MEANS SAVING LIVES AND WE KNOW WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN THE ATTENTION THAT WE NEED OVER FIRES THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN THE MORE RURAL PARTS OF THE COUNTY AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS NOT ALWAYS ABOUT THE LARGEST NUMBERS OF PEOPLE, BUT THE MOST REMOTE PEOPLE.
THE VERY DIFFICULT PARTS OF OUR COUNTY THAT ARE GEOGRAPHICALLY CHALLENGED AND THOSE FOLKS GET THE SAME KIND OF ATTENTION THAT EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN THE CITY LIMITS DOES.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH YOU.
IN FACT, I THINK IT WAS AN IDEA OF CHIEF MASTERSON THAT THERE OUGHT TO BE A COMMITTEE THAT REVIEWS THE PERFORMANCE OF THE DISPATCH.
BY THE WAY, I HAD REQUESTED INFORMATION ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR FIRE PERSONNEL AND THE CITY AND ALSO OUR STAFF AND SOME OF THE IMPRESSION I HAVE IS THERE CERTAINLY ARE SOME ISSUES FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT SOME OF THEM ARE KIND OF ADMINISTRATIVE.
BY THE WAY, I HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH ALL 1000 EMAILS YET, BUT I'VE PROBABLY BEEN THROUGH 700 OF THEM.
IT'S OBVIOUS THAT CHIEF MASTERSON IS WORKING HARD TO COMMUNICATE WITH DISPATCH TO IDENTIFY SOME ISSUES.
SOME OF THEM ARE ADMINISTRATIVE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT IN ANY KIND OF OPERATION.
I ASSUME THAT BC IS BATTALION CHIEF, THOSE CALLS SOMETIMES NEED TO BE IDENTIFIED IN CERTAIN WAYS.
SOME OF THE ISSUES FOR THE MORE RURAL PART OF THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO BE A WAY OF PROVIDING GOOD FEEDBACK TO THE DISPATCH.
I THINK THAT IN MY OPINION A SOLUTION WOULD BE THAT RIO RANCHO ACKNOWLEDGES THE BOARD IS ACTUALLY A POLICY BOARD AND ALSO HAS SOME VOICE AND PERFORMANCE ISSUES.
I BELIEVE THAT US INSISTING ON US DOING THE IPRA'S FOR DISPATCH -- DISPATCH FILE IS NOT ALL DISPATCHERS.
IT'S A LOT OF OTHER INFORMATION.
THAT MIGHT BE A CONCESSION THAT WE CAN MAKE.
IF WE CAN DEAL WITH A FEW OF THOSE KIND OF ISSUES, WE CAN BRING A RESOLUTION TO THIS AND NOT BE TAKING THE HARD LINE THAT WE'RE RIGHT ABOUT THIS.
YOU'RE NOT DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO SPEND $12 MILLION.
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: YES, GO AHEAD.
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE RANK THE PROJECTS USING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TOP 10 PROJECT PAGE AND THE NUMBERING WOULD BE ONE, TWO, THREE, SEVEN, EIGHT, FIVE, FOUR, SIX, NINE, TEN.
WHICH IS WHAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH AS A PRIORITIZE.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: CAN YOU READ THOSE ALLOWED?
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: I'M SORRY, I WANTED THEM TO GET THE NUMBERS.
YES, IT IS -- THE JUDICIAL COMPLEX, THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, THE BROADBAND
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CORRIDOR STUDY, THE ANIMAL SHELTER, AND THEN THE SHARES VEHICLES AND THE DISPATCH CENTER.SAN ANTONIO CAMINO SANTA ROSA, AMBULANCE, AND PENA BLANCO COMMUNITY CENTER IMPROVEMENTS.
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: THA WAS MY MOTION.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: DO I HAVE A SECOND?
BLOCK: MR. CHAIR, QUESTION ON THAT.
ON THE HIGHWAY, ROADS, AND BRIDGES, WAS THAT A 2-2 VOTE?
SO I GUESS I'M SECOND INNING -- SECONDING IT.
>> LET'S MOVE ONTO THE NEXT ONE.
[11.B. Request for a Motion to Adopt Resolution No. 8-9-23.11B Amending Resolution Number 8-24-22.9B Designating Polling Places for All Statewide Elections Conducted in 2022 and 2023.]
11 B.>> MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, BEFORE YOU IS RESOLUTION 8-9-23.11 B AMENDING DESIGNATED POLLING PLACES FOR ALL STATEWIDE ELECTIONS CONDUCTING -- CONDUCTED IN 2022 AND 2023.
OBVIOUSLY, 2022 IS DONE AND WE'RE GOING TO THE REGULAR LOCAL ELECTION IN 2023 HERE IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
THIS, BASICALLY, ELIMINATES THE FOUR SITES THAT WERE REMOVED IN THE 24/25 CYCLE AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL REPLACEMENT SARIN, SO WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 39 POLLING SITES FOR THE UPCOMING RLE, WHICH IS ONE MORE SITE THAN WE HAD IN THE 2022 ELECTION FOR THE GUBERNATORIAL RACE.
WITH THAT, I STAND FOR QUESTIONS.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.
FOR THE ONES THAT YOU SHOW IN THE RIO RANCHO AREA, THEY ARE 14 AND SOME OF THEM ARE SCHOOLS.
ARE THOSE SCHOOLS ONLY FOR VOTING DAY?
ALL OF THE ITEMS BEFORE YOU ARE ONLY FOR ELECTION DAY.
EARLY VOTING IS DETERMINED BY THE OFFICE OF THE COUNTY CLERK.
THE CLERK SINCE THE EARLY VOTING HOURS AND LOCATIONS.
ELECTION DAY IS SET BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION.
I GUESS WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE CLERK SOON TO WHAT THOSE EARLY VOTING PLACES WILL BE.
I UNDERSTAND IT MAY BE SENT BY THE CLERK, BUT CERTAINLY LIKE TO BE SURE THEY ARE PROVIDING SUFFICIENT COVERAGE TO THE COMMUNITY IF THEY ARE SPREAD OUT IN SUCH A WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN GET EASY ACCESS TO THEM.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONER, THE NOTICE IS ACTUALLY BY STATUTE HAS TO BE ISSUED TODAY.
WE BASICALLY HAVE 20 EARLY VOTING SITES.
BY THE WAY, THAT'S COMPARABLE TO BERNALILLO COUNTY WITH 22 SITES.
WE ARE PRETTY COMPARABLE TO THEM.
THEY ARE GEOGRAPHICALLY SPREAD AND I DID SEND YOU THAT DRAFT VERSION.
THE CLERK CAN AMEND IT IF WE FIND ADDITIONAL SITES PRIOR TO EARLY VOTING.
BUT WE HAVE NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
WE HAVE FIVE SITES IN EARLY VOTING IN RIO RANCHO RIGHT NOW.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: I GUESS WE SHOULD HAVE A MOTION ON THIS?
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: SORRY, SECOND.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: COMMISSIONER BLOCK?
BLOCK: I JUST WANT TO THANK THE CLERK'S OFFICE FOR REALLY WORKING THIS OUT.
THIS HAS BEEN KIND OF DIFFICULT AND OUR COUNTY CLERK AND DEPUTY CLERK, THANK YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR WORKING THIS.
THIS IS REALLY GREAT WORK SO APPRECIATE THAT A LOT.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: COMMISSIONER BRUCH.
BRUCH: I'D LIKE TO THANK OUR RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY FOR STEPPING UP AS WELL BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A BROAD SPECTRUM OF CHURCHES AROUND THE AREA THAT ARE GOING TO BE PARTICIPATING AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THEM DOING THAT.
I NOTICED ON THE INTERNET THE OTHER DAY, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT POPPED UP ON MY
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SCREEN, BUT IN IOWA THERE IS A PLETHORA OF 20 FOOT CONVERTED STEAMSHIP CONTAINERS MADE INTO OFFICES THAT WOULD MAKE GREAT POLLING LOCATIONS.AND THEY ARE BETTER THAN THINGS WITH WHEELS ON THEM BECAUSE THOSE THINGS COST A LOT OF MONEY TO OPERATE THEM.
THESE THINGS YOU TAKE THEM OUT AND PLOP THEM ON THE GROUND.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, WE ARE ALL FOR THAT.
I THINK WE HAVE TO CONVINCE THE COUNTY -- THE ACQUISITION OF TRAILERS TO PARK AT FACILITIES.
>> MR. CHAIR, I'M BEING MALIGNED OVER HERE.
I AM NOT AGAINST A STATIONARY POLLING LOCATION, JUST WITH WHEELS ON IT.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: WELL, THE WHEELS MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO MAKE IT ADA COMPLIANT WHEREAS IF YOU CAN GO OUT AND SEND IT ON THE GROUND, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUT A -- AND YOU SEE THEM BEING ROLLED AROUND ALL THE TIME.
CLOSE YOU DON'T HAVE WHEELS TO MAINTAIN.
YOU'VE JUST GOT THIS BOX WITH AN AIR CONDITIONER AND PROBABLY A GENERATOR.
NO OTHER COMMENTS? MADAME CLERK?
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: YES AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
[12. APPROVALS Request for a Motion to Approve the 2024 Education and Enforcement Funds allocated to the Sandoval County Sheriff's Office.]
NUMBER 12, REQUEST FOR MOTION TO APPROVE 2024 EDUCATION ENFORCEMENT FUNDS.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: GOO EVENING.
I AM JESSE'S EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT.
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS SEEKING APPROVAL FOR THE 2024 EDUCATION ENFORCEMENT FUND THAT HAS BEEN ALLOCATED TO THE SANDOVAL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN THE AMOUNT OF $1000.
WE PROPOSE USING THESE FUNDS FOR THE PURCHASE OF TWO DSLR DIGITAL CAMERAS FOREVER TRAFFIC UNITS SO THEY CAN TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS WHEN THEY DO INVESTIGATIONS FOR FATALITIES AND STUFF.
IT'S A FUND THAT WAS SENT BY THE STATE LEGISLATOR.
ON A TRAFFIC CONVICTIONS, THEY ASSESS A THREE DOLLAR PENALTY TO ANYBODY THAT GETS CONVICTED OF A TRAFFIC OFFENSE AND THEY GIVE $1.50 BACK TO THE STATE AND THEN THEY GIVE A DOLLAR AND $0.50 BACK TO THE AGENCY.
IT'S MONEY YOU CAN SPEND CONTINUING EDUCATION ENFORCEMENT, BUT WE NEED COMMISSIONER APPROVAL TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: CAN I HAVE A MOTION?
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: SECOND.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: CHAIRMAN, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
BESIDES BEING ABLE TO TAKE PICTURES, THE VIDEOS ON THOSE DSL CAMERAS.
TO USE IT TO DO VIDEOS AS WELL.
>> SO THEY HAVE THE BODY CAMERAS FOR THE VIDEOS, BUT THEY CAN'T TAKE PHOTOS WITHOUT STOPPING THE VIDEO.
SO THE CAMERAS ARE GREAT TO TAKE VIDEOS WHILE THEY ARE RECORDING EVERYTHING ON THE BODY CAMERAS.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: WEL THANKS FOR YOUR GREAT PRESENTATION.
[13. APPROVAL OF ELECTRONIC SIGNATURES / SIGNING OF OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS]
COMMISSIONER BLOCK, DO WE HAVE YOUR APPROVAL TO USE YOUR ELECTRONIC SIGNATURE AND SIGNING OF OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS?BLOCK: ABSOLUTELY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: LET'S SEE, THE NEXT COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING, YES, 23RD OF THIS
[14. ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE NEXT BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING]
MONTH.I WAS ALREADY THINKING OF SEPTEMBER.
YES, 23RD OF AUGUST IS THE NEXT COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING.
AND COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS?
[15. COMMISSIONERS DISCUSSION ]
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: MR. CHAIRMAN --
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER BLOCK.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: YOU'RE MORE REMOTE, BLOCK.
BLOCK: NO, I WILL DEFER TO THE FIRE CHIEF.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: DON'T FIGHT OVER IT.
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>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY NOT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE MECHANISM OF HOW THIS WORKS FOR THE ICIP, BUT IT'S AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT DOCUMENT.
I KNOW THE COURTHOUSE WAS NOT APPROVED FOR A VOTE, BUT WAS NOT VOTED ON BECAUSE THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT, AND THE WAY WE CAN PAY FOR IT IS PUT IT ON THE ICIP AND ASK PEOPLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO US SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
THIS IS NOT IGNORING WHAT HAS BEEN ASKED FOR BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING NOT TO HAVE TO PAY FOR IT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS THE SAME AS EVERYTHING ON THE ICIP.
THAT'S THE FITNESS INVOLVED IN THIS THAT YOU GOT TO GET SOMEBODY UP THERE SAY YEAH, I'VE GOT TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT.
HOPEFULLY THESE ARE ALL GOOD PROJECTS.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: COMMISSIONER BLOCK.
I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THE DISPATCH CENTER FOR 10 MINUTES AND YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WEREN'T AROUND ON THE BOARD OF FINANCE, THERE'S TWO THINGS, MR. CHAIR.
MAYBE YOU CAN HIT THEM ON YOUR COMMENTS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
THEY DOWNGRADED OUR DEBT RATING AND IT'S THE SECOND TIME IN US HISTORY OUR CREDIT RATING WAS DOWNGRADED ACROSS FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL LEVELS.
IN FACT, IT DOWNGRADED -- >> CHAIRMAN HEIL: WAIT, STOP, I THINK WE HAVE TO CORRECT YOU.
>> I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE FEDERAL DOWNGRADE.
BLOCK: NO, I KNOW WE WENT FROM AA TO AAA AND THE COUNTY.
I'M TALKING ABOUT FEDERAL BECAUSE I THINK SHE BROUGHT THAT UP UNLESS I DIDN'T HEAR HER CORRECTLY.
BUT ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE THAT, WAYNE.
AGAIN, THIS DOWNGRADE, SECOND TIME IN U.S.
NOT COUNTY, U.S.. IT BASICALLY POINTS TO A STANDARD DETERIORATION IN DECISION-MAKING AND IS LOWER RATED INSTITUTIONS LIKE THE UNITED STATES ARE TYPICALLY HIT WITH HIGHER INTEREST RATES, WHICH COST MORE FOR THE TAXPAYER, AND ALSO AFFECTS ECONOMIC DEVELOP AND DRIVING INTERNATIONAL INVESTORS AWAY FROM THE U.S.. OUR POLICIES ARE NOT WORKING.
IN FACT, I KNOW INFLATION IS GOING DOWN, BUT PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE INFLATION IB DOWN TO 3%, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER IT'S BASED ON WHAT IT WAS A YEAR AGO WHEN INFLATION WAS EIGHT OR 9%.
THIS IS WHY WAGES ARE NOT CATCHING UP BECAUSE 3% OVER 9% FROM A YEAR AGO.
IT STILL COSTS THE TAXPAYER A LOT MORE MONEY FOR GOODS AND SERVICES THEY NETTED TWO YEARS AGO.
THE OTHER THING, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE YOU TO MAKE SOME COMMENT ON IS A LOT OF PEOPLE RECEIVED EMAILS REGARDING THE ORDINANCE WE PASSED FOR THE HORSE FEEDING.
I WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING TO VOTE TO PAUSE THAT IMPLEMENTATION FOR ONE SEPTEMBER.
IF WE CAN DISCUSS THAT LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU AND I HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS AND I APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHT AND SUPPORT ON THAT.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO TALK ABOUT OUR VETERANS BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT CEMETERY, BUT LAST WEEK WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE DEMOCRAT VOTE FOR THE FISCAL 2024 MILITARY CONSTRUCTION AND VETERANS AFFAIRS APPROPRIATIONS BILL.
THAT BILL FULLY FUNDS THE DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS PROGRAMS. INCLUDING THE ELECTRONIC HEALTH RECORD MONETIZATION AND FUNDS TOXIC EXPOSURE RELATED NEEDS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024.
THIS UP REPARATIONS BILL INCREASE MORE THAN $16 BILLION OVER THE 2023 ENACTED LEVELS.
HAVING NOT ONE DEMOCRAT SUPPORT THAT IS JUST UNACCEPTABLE, AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER BRUCH TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK AT THE SENATE.
I APPRECIATE HER MILITARY EXPERTISE AS WELL ON THAT ISSUE.
LASTLY, MR. CHAIR, ONE OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, THE DOCTOR'S COMMENT, TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WAS PRETTY DISGUSTING FOR CHILDREN THERE.
WE NOW LEARN THAT THE SCHOOLS, OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN NEW MEXICO, ARE SENDING SURVEYS TO YOUNG CHILDREN IN SCHOOLS TELLING THEM NOT TO TELL THEIR PARENTS ABOUT A LOT OF SEXUAL ISSUES.
THESE ARE GOING TO THIRD AND FOURTH GRADERS.
WE WERE TOLD THAT THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN BY THE GOVERNOR AND NPED.
I'M HOPING THAT MOMS AND DADS WOULD BE PRETTY UPSET THAT THE SCHOOLS ARE TRYING TO HIDE INFORMATION TELLING THEIR CHILDREN DON'T TALK TO PARENTS ABOUT THE SURVEYS.
IT'S UNACCEPTABLE AND THEY DON'T OWN OUR CHILDREN.
OUR CHILDREN BELONG TO THE PARENTS WHO KNOW A LOT BETTER THAN SOME OF THESE
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PEOPLE.WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE HORSE FEEDING ORDINANCE AND GETTING ON THE AGENDA SO WE CAN HAVE A PAUSE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT MORE IN-DEPTH.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLOCK.
COMMISSIONER BRUCH, ANY COMMENTS? NO? OKAY.
CARRIE, IF HE WOULD REACH OVER AND TAP RAMONA ON THE SHOULDER, SHE WILL SEND YOU THE LAW THAT I SENT HER OR FEEL FREE TO SEND ME AN EMAIL.
I'D BE GLAD TO SEND IT TO YOU.
SHE HAD ASKED THE SAME QUESTION.
IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT IT'S A LAW THAT GOES BACK TO WHEN WE WERE A TERRITORY, BUT IT'S A LAW ASKED OUR OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE COURT FACILITIES FOR DISTRICT COURTS.
FEEL FREE TO SEND ME AN EMAIL.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL: I'M SORRY? YEAH.
>> [INAUDIBLE] >> CHAIRMAN HEIL: WELL, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO SEND ME AN EMAIL.
WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS IN THE COUNTY AND COUNTY HAS NO AUTHORITY TO PASS VOTER ID.
WE PASSED IT IN RIO RANCHO 10 YEARS AGO, MAYBE LONGER WHEN I WAS ON THE CHARTER COMMITTEE BECAUSE RIO RANCHO IS A HOME RULE COMMUNITY AND IT ONLY APPLIES TO THE MUNICIPAL ELECTION.
IT CAN BE IMPOSED ON THE -- I'M SORRY THAT I'M HAVING TO USE THE WORD IMPOSED, BUT VOTER ID FOR A COUNTY OR FEDERAL ELECTION.
ISN'T ANYTHING WE CAN CONTROL.
SO I THINK THOSE WERE THE POINTS I WANTED TO MAKE ABOUT YOUR POINTS.
SO COULD I HAVE A MOTION ON THE NEXT ITEM?
>> VICE CHAIRMAN MEEK: MOV TO ADJOURN.
>> CHAIRMAN HEIL:
STAND ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.